Tuesday, May 26, 2015

Disc. 935 Part 2. Voided Thy LAW.

My continued thanks to ADTV and Amazingdiscoveries.org team.

               The Reformers and the Law.

    Word and World 2/14/1994.  "Luther in Front of the Text: "The Genesis Commentary --
James Arnenestingen.

      "Conflict between Melanchthon and Johann Agricola on the place of the law in the church had surfaced in the summer of 1528. Agricola joined the theological faculty in Wittenberg in 1536. Soon after his arrival, anonymous documents circulated in the city arguing that the law belongs in the courthouse, not in the church. Luther challenged Agricola on the issue, and, beginning in 1537, they faced off in a series of six disputations that remain Luther's most important statements on the doctrine of law... Luther and Melanchthon were agreed, against Agricola, that the law had to be proclaimed to believers as well as unbelievers."

    Now, many will agree, that at times Luther's statements were so spoken, that many heard him for the law while other heard him being against them. In the end he emphatically, came out for them. As this can be seen------

Luther's Works (translated, weimer Ed) Vol 50, pp.470-472 originally printed in his "Spiritual Antichrist", pp.71-72.

     "I wonder exceedingly how it came to be imputed to me that I should reject the Law of Ten Commandments.... Can anyone think that sin exists whereds there is no law?...Whosoever abrogates the law of necessity, abrogate sin also."

Quoted in M. Michelet''s "Life of Luther", {Hazlitt's Translation) 2nd Ed.; Vol. 4.p. 315

    "He who destroys the doctrine of the law, destroyes at the same time political and social order. If you eject the law from the church, there will no longer be any sin recognized as such in the world."

John Calvin: "John Calvin, Commentary in the Harmony of the Gospels" Vol 1, p.277.

     "We must not imagine that the coming of Christ has freed us from the authority of the law, for it is the eternal rule of a devout and holy life, and a must, therefore, be as unchangeable as the justice of God, which it embraced, is consistent and uniform."

Dwight L. Moody  {of The Moody Institute fame} "Weighed and Wanting"  pp. 11,16.15.

Now men may cavil as much as they like about other parts of the Bible, but I have never met an honest man that found fault with the Ten commandments. Infidels many mock the Lawgiver and reject Him who has delivered us from the curse of the law, but they can't help admitting the the commandments are right...they are all nations, and will remain the commandments. of God through the centuries... The people must be made to understand that the Ten Commandments are still binding, and that there is a penalty attached to their violation... Jesus never condemned the law and the prophets, but He did condemn those who did not obey them {see Matthew 5:17:19.}

Charles Spurgion, "Perpetuity of the Law of God" . p. 4-7.

   Jesus did not come to change the law, but he came to explain [Matthew 5:17-19], and that very fact shows it remains, for there is no need to explain that which is abrogated. Assuredly this was no abrogation of the law: it was wonderful exhibition of its far-reaching sovereignty and of its searching character. Once more, that the Master did not come to alter the law is clear, because after having embodied it in his life He willingly gave Himself up to bear its penalty, though He had never broken it. Bearing the penalty for us, even as it is written, "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law being made a curse for us." "All we like sheep have gone astray, we have turned every one to his own way, and the Lord hath laid on Him the iniquity of us all." If the law had demanded more of us that it aught to have done, would the Lord Jesus have rendered to it the penalty which resulted from its too severe demands? I am sure He would not. But because the law asked only what it aught to ask----Namely perfect obedience, and exacted of the transgressor only that what it ought to extract, namely death, as the penalty for sin,---death under divine wrath, therefore the Savior went to the tree, and there bore our sins, and purged them once for all" 

John Wesley:  "The Original, Nature, Property"
Wesley says that the moral law preceded not only Moses or Enoch but creation itself, humanity itself, being first given to the angels and the expression of God's eternal pre-creation image and will. The moral law is for Wesley a reflection of God's eternal will and image found in scripture and inscribed on every human heart.
     Westly even goes so far as to take the Christological language of the New Testament and applies this directly to this moral law, calling it: "An incorruptible picture of the High and Holy One..... the express image of His person"

Wesley's understanding of salvation went beyond Luther's focus on Justification and and added to it the idea of regeneration-- being born again--- and how the indwelling of the Spirit in our lives transforms us and gives a new identity.
In Ibid IV7 he continues:  "I cannot spare the law one moment, no more than I can spare Christ....each is continually sending me to the other,---the law of Christ, and Christ to the law... the height and depth of the law constrains me to fly to the love of God in Christ...the love of God in christ endears the law to me, "above gold or precious stones."

   There is no condemnation of those in Jesus Christ.

THE CHARACTER OD GOD-------------------------------  THE CHARACTER OF THE LAW.

JUST:   Romans 3:26.---------------------------------------------  JUST: Rom. 7:2
TRUE: John 3:33----------------------------------------------        TRUE:  Nehemiah 9:13
PURE: 1 John 3:3--------------------------------------------------  PURE: Psalm 19:7-8.
LIGHT:  1 Jn. 1:5 --------------------------------------------        LIGHT: Proverbs 6:23
FAITHFUL: 1 CORINTHIANS 1:9---------------------- fAITHFULL: Ps. 119:86
GOOD: Nahum 1:7------------------------------------------------GOOD: Rom. 12:7,16.
Spiritual: ! Corinthians 10:1-4-----------------------------------Spiritual" Rom. 7:14
HOLY:  Isaiah 6:3- 1 Peter 1:15-----------------------  HOLY: Exodus 20:8- Rom. 7:12
TRUTH: John 14:6--------------------------------------------- Truth: PS. 119:142, 151.
LIFE: 1 John 14:6 ------------------------------------------- Life: John 12:50- Matthew 19:17
Righteousness: Jeremiah 23:6--------------------------- Righteousness: Ps. 119:172.
Perfect: Mat, 5:48- Hebrews 13:8---------------------- Perfect: Ps. 19:7- James 1:26.
Forever: John 8:35- Heb. 13:8---------------------------Forever: Ps. 111:8- Luke 16:17.

  How else can it be shown, that if we think we can rid self of the Law, and be under Grace, we have jus removed form self the CHARACTER that IS God, for the Law IS HIS GLORY!


      Exodus 20:12  "Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee."

H.S.L.D.A. Home School Legal Defence Association ------ Parental rights-- March/April 2006

Parental Rights: Why NOW is the time to act....  We should start right now with the questiion: "Why did the founders neglect to include parental rights in the text of the constitution or the Bill of rights?....No one would ever envision a form of government that pitted fit parents against the State over the right to make decisions concerning their children.



{THE AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION, which supports the treaty, has already opined that teaching children that Jesus is the only way to God violates the spirit and meaning of the UNCRC]

    If this treaty becomes binding on the United States, the Government would have the power to intervene in a child's life, "for the best interest of the child." Currently, the government can intervene in this fashion only by going to court and proving parents have been abusive or have neglected their children.... This means that whatever the UN-dominated social services system thought that your parental choices were not the best, the Government would have the power to override, your choices and protect your child from you.If this treaty becomes binding, all parents would have the same legal status as abusive parents.And every parental decision it IT determined the parents choice contrary to the child's best interests. Specifically, spanking would be banned under the express terms of the UNCRC. Moreover, children would be required to be taught in a religiously "Tolerant manner".

   But what about the rest of the world? It's already a signed and dome deal by most member of the U,N.

http://www.hslda.org/parentalrights/default.asp  And find:-----
The ability to homeschool on's child would not be a right, but a UN-supervised activity that could be overturned if social services personnel believed that it would be "BEST", for your child, to receive another form of education. These are not idle speculations, but the proven result of the UN's own interpretation of the treaty as they have reviewed other nations' compliance with the treaty's provisions."

This is law already in many nations, Parents can't homeschool their children!
WHY?  The Bible's teachings do NOT find a fit, within the world's ecumanical movement backers, Satan and allies!   But what is the legal and final results of this, regarding whose rights are the greater, Parental Rights Or Children's Rights?
Children rights, just as All dictators corralled their youths, and "EDUCATED" then accordingly, The Communist Youths, the Hitler Youths and all the I am the Boss rulers!

Now what happens if Parents refuse to obey? well they are breaking International LAW, and you'll be dealt with accordingly!  Yet as per the Bible this is contrary to it, for Parental right hold the high ground!

      UNITED NATIONS Convention on the Rights of the CHILD:
http://www.every childmatters.gov.uk/uncrc/

UK Government Periodic Report to the UN Committee on the Rights of the child: [July 2007}
  The United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child {UNCRC} is an international hum an rights teaty that grants all children and young people [aged 17 and under] a comprehensive set of rights. The UK signed the convention on 19 April 1990, ratified it ion december 1992 and it came into force in the UK on January 1992. When a countryj ratifies the convention it agrees to mdo everything it can to impliment it."

MY QUESTION: :So when is this UN going to concern itself with the SEX TRADE, where children are kidnapped and sold into the slave/sex trade? Is this even on their agenda?  NO!

   Therefore the long and the short of it is, earth now has a law concerning children that is in direct conflict with the Law of God! Thus of the 5 laws we have looked at,  4 of them have been turned up-side down by the U.N. and by legislation!


   "The  churches and the world religions should indicate the unity within the truth which will provide a UNIVERSAL platform, one to which ALL men everywhere could give allegiance. Such a platform should include:
Truth that all men are divine.
Truth that evolution governs the growth of the human being."
The Problems of Humanity: The Building of Right Human Relations, Study six, Issued by World Goodwill {n.d.] pp. 10-11.

The one great problem humans have is Biblical Illiteracy! But them Satan and friends have no use for God or His word, right?

"The same old formulas same old theologies and the same old interpretations are deemed adequate to meet man's MODERN needs and enquiries, THEY ARE NOT.
    The church today is the tomb of the Christ and the stone of theology has been rolled to the door of the sepulcher."
 Alice Bailey, "The Reappearance of the Christ." Lucis [was known as Lucifer] Publishing Co, 1948 P.140
So with whom did she share her beliefs with? They bare the leaders if of the ESOTERIC SOCIETY!
Meaning that they claim to have the old and even Ancient SECRET KNOWLEDGE, and they are:
Helena Blavatsky, Benjamin Creme- {The author of the Cosmic Christ} Charles Webster Leadbetter, spychic- Helena Roerich. Annie Besant- Koot Hoomi- Jidder Krishnamutic- Robert Assegioli- Aleister Crowley,  all are devotees of the Occult, and the Esoteric Psychology & Healings, Astrological and other philosophical and religious themes.

  Note: Can Y O U not see the main theme above? "Let's keep christ out of this, we don't want nor need Him!" But that's what the occult is all about SATAN!

So by now you can see that the 5TH Commandment has been done away with, and the government has full control of children.

               SIXTH COMMANDMENT: 
        Exodus 20:13  "Thou shalt not kill."

Note: Kill as used in Matt.5:21 is the Greek word Phoneuo ( fon-you'-o) is always used in murder, always criminal, to lie in wait, kill as in self defense, or in defense of others.What does the Bible say we are to kill murderers....
      Deuteronomy 13:8-9  "Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people."

   "FAMILY " CRISIS  at the United Nations. THe Family Research Council recently published a collection of essays entitled "Fifty Years after the Declaration: The United Nation's Record on Human rights." In the book nearly two dozen experts roundly criticized the recent social policies of the UN as they relate to woman, abortion, and children's rights. Teresa Wagner, the editor, charges that the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights," has become a tool... to advance abortion, homosexuality, euthanasia and other destructive causes.
www.. wendaymcelroy.com/articles/unfamily. html- 21K

Note: Regarding the UN's stand on abortion, is that no life, at no time, within the womb has no rights until after is is born, and breathing on it's own for at least 24 hours! But they are the same folks that say Earth;'s sustainable maximum population is 3 billion people. We have today in 5/2015 well over 7 Billion. Perhaps they want 4 billion volunteers to commit self- murder!  Want to "Sign-UP"?

   Matthew 1:23  "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."
    Luke 1:41  And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
NOTE:  God calls the unborn humans, a child, in Luke 1:41 the word babe is Brephos [bref'-os ] child- infant. Thus God recognized a human being from the moment of conception as a child! DO WE????
    Matthew 18:4-7  "Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!"

Note: Being but a simple man, I can NOT understand the Progressive Liberal mind. On the one hand they fight "tooth and nail." to preserve the life of the worst mass murderers, yet  fight with the same vigor the right to keep abortions legal and on demand.So other than being unwanted, what is a child in the wombs guilt?  Oh, what does it matter if many  call this child a FETUS, A BLOB OF CELLS? Has any woman ever birthed anything other than a child? How can any human inflict such pain, as being sucked into parts and pieces, leaving the head and brain for last? Is this your ideal, "way to go?" Just asking!

    By our laws, can anyone medical center refuse to preform such a horrific act? In many nations the answer is no, and by nations laws! Thus by law these people must commit murder, in the name of the LAW! I'll not go to euthanasia, as a topic.Holland, my birth nation, has it as law, and the old folks are deathly afraid of their children, wanting their "STUFF"! NUFF SAID!

Therefore by many nation's laws, this Law of God is also made void!  

THE SEVENTH COMMANDMENT: Exodus 20:14  "Thou shalt not commit adultery."

Sorry, but this is not just two in sin, but it covers the whole of human sexuality, period!
   Matthew 5:28  "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."


MOTO: "Information is everything. and that's a fact of Life."

    On Parental Involvement: "While it is generally desirable for parents to be involved in their children's contraceptive decisions, the right of each person to confidentiality and privacy in receiving contraceptive information, counseling, and services is paramount!

Note: In other words "Parents BUT OUT"! More and more parental responsibility has been removed from them to governmental services!
       During the 1950's it was a total shame, be be an unwed mother, now the national rate is at 45 % of births are to single moms, while in the "Black" communities it is at 75%, and one of the most telling reasons for poverty! Which by the U.S. we have spent 3 Trillion dollars on national anti-poverty programs in just the years from 2010 to 2014! Yet the National Poverty rate increased from 10.5% to 12.4% of population! This MUST tell all, what we are doing is NOT working! Not all problems are solved by throwing lots of money at it!
    Humans are not animals, in heat, we have a mind that can see the consequences of our actions! Harsh? YES so is growing up in poverty, let's break this cycle, shall we?

SIECUS Position Statements reveal the following:
    "It is the position of Siecus that contraceptive services should be available to all-- including minors who should enjoy the same rights of free and independent access to...contraceptive care as do others... It is the position of SIECUS that the use of explicit sexual materials {sometimes referred to as pronograhpy} can serve a variety of important needs in the lives of countless individuals."
Dennis Cuddy, "Chronology of Education with quotable quotes" Highland City, Florida: Pro Family Forum, Inc. 1994 Updated, bound vol .37

Note: (JB) does it sound to Y O U that this man has children, that he loves? It is a medical fact that teen's engaging into intercourse have a greater risk of uterine cancers and many other ills, in fact the pre-25 year old are the greatest carriers of STD's because of this thinking, all since the 1960's, THINK ANYTHING GOES! You wish this on your child?

ON HOMOSEXUALITY: NOTE (JB) Christ said "Love Thine enemies", right thus no one deserves to be discriminated against, yet discrimination is always a two-way street. None should be force an other to do anything against one's will!

"Religious groups and spiritual leaders can helpfully involve themselves in sexuality education and in promoting the sexual health of their constituents, including those who are gay, lesbian, bisexual.... professional guidance can assist religious leaders in how best to minister to their constituents regarding their sexual needs. Its important   {TO WHOM?} for religious institutions to minister and allow full religious participation to individuals who are gay, lesbian, or bisexual, heterosexual, gay, lesbian. The legal system should guarantee the civil rights and protection of all people, regardless of sexual orientation."

Note: OK, but what about the rights of people who find this sinful? The Baker who refused to make a cake for gays, and then went broke fighting their lawsuit in court, where His justice and rights?
QUESTION: Let's take this to the extreme and Y O U come to your Pastor for council on a philandering spouse. And you get this advice "Well what's good for goose is also good for the gander" In other words "Anything goes, if it feels good do it!" The he or she tells I am gay!

     Leviticus 20:13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
Note: If you disagree, speak to God about it, He's love to hear from you in prayer.

   "Every woman, regardless of age or income, should have the right to obtain an abortion---and at a reasonable cost"
Parents do Y O U have the right to intervene on this issue?  NO! Child's rights supersedes your rights.

     "Adults should have the right of access to sexually explicit materials for personal use. Legislative or judicial efforts to prevent the production or distribution of sexually explicit materials endanger constitutionally guaranteed freedoms of speech and press..."

HATE-CRIME LAWS: The Criminalizing free Speech,  N THIS BILL HAS NOT GONE AWAY.
Steve Watson Oct.31. 2005

An example of this could be Christian preaching as counter protest to gay pride marches. It wouldn't be against the law for gay right activists to preach the values they ascribe to, yet Christian activists may be committing hate crimes by simply reading from the Bible. Indeed this has happened on  local level in Philadelpia, the Anit-Defamation League of B'nia B'rith, creators of the current anti-hate legislation, enforced hate laws against 11 Christians on October 10,2004. Preaching at a gay pride rally. Possible penalties were up to 47 years in prison and $90,000. fines each! The case against them was thrown out by a higher court yet if the legislation was passed into national law maybe they wouldn't have gotten off so lightly!

Note: Brutally beat and murder someone, and get less of a penalty that if you quote the Bible at a gay rally! How upside down are we today?

SIXTH: "In the area of sexuality, we believe that intolerant attitudes, often cultivated by orthodox religions and puritanical cultures, unduly repress sexual conduct. The Right to birth control, abortion, and divorce should be recognized.. While we do not approve of exploitative, denigrating {note what other than this is pron toany woman? Nor do we wish to prohibit by law, or by sanction,sexual behavior between consenting adults.The many varieties of sexual exploration should not in themselves be called evil.
Paul Kurtz, Humanist Manifesto 1 and II Buffalo, New York: Prometheus Books, 1973. p.18

Note: Is there still any wonder, that STD's have increased from less than 10 in 1900, to more than 30 types in 2015, due to lack of self-control? Or can we say pure selfishness? This anything goes advocacy for lifestyle does come with many costs, some not apparent for years! Re you Humanist also,all for bestiality?

    Isaiah 5:20 "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"

Question: "Has the 7th Commandment been done away with?"YES-if you quote the Bible you'll be an called silly, so of the seven 6 are are gone and one is still hanging on a thread.


    Oh,do not worry, they'll not ever git rid of this one, lest the one's in charge lose their stuff!

THE NINTH COMMANDMENT: Exodus 20:16 "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour."
Sorry, if they held this one up to account for all speeches, all our leaders would be in prison!

THE TENTH COMMANDMENT: Exodus 20:17 "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's."

Well lets put #8 and 9 together  because anyone breaking the 10th will lie like a cheap rug, right?
   Isaiah 59:2-6 "But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.  For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness. None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity. They hatch cockatrice' eggs, and weave the spider's web: he that eateth of their eggs dieth, and that which is crushed breaketh out into a viper.  Their webs shall not become garments, neither shall they cover themselves with their works: their works are works of iniquity, and the act of violence is in their hands."

    Jeremiah 9:5-6 " And they will deceive every one his neighbour, and will not speak the truth: they have taught their tongue to speak lies, and weary themselves to commit iniquity.  Thine habitation is in the midst of deceit; through deceit they refuse to know me, saith the LORD."
     Jeremiah 27:14-15 "Therefore hearken not unto the words of the prophets that speak unto you, saying, Ye shall not serve the king of Babylon: for they prophesy a lie unto you. For I have not sent them, saith the LORD, yet they prophesy a lie in my name; that I might drive you out, and that ye might perish, ye, and the prophets that prophesy unto you."

    Who are these today? All those Sun day worshiping preachers that follow Rome in place of God's word!
How can one study all the Bible in Seminary schools, no matter if they are run by Jesuits, God's Words are printed in paper and change not. Yet they ignore Genesis 2:-1-3 all of Exodus 20 1-17, and must really ignore Luke 1 which shows Christ birth in August, or Luke's 23 rd end verses and 24th first 3 verses, They show, without any doubts the Bible's Sabbath day, is from Friday Sunset to Saturday sunset, and the Venerable day of the Sun- god, Sunday the first day of the week!
   There are those who work tirelessly to make all these law void and moot, by making them all illegal thus voiding God's Laws! So who other than Satan would want this to be so?

IBID. Alice Bailey: Vol. II.p. 326
  From their lofty position in the mystical land of Shamballa the LEGIONS OF LIGHT  {remember Satan's first name LUCIFER means "Light bearer" " Light means truth]... have announced that time is running out for humanity. They say that our civilization is about to enter a "NEW AGE" of enlightenment and that all deserving souls should be ready to take the next step up in cosmic consciousness to a new spiritual understanding."

    Revelation 12:12 " Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."

                QUESTION: Why is evolution moved from theory to fact, and why is it taught in schools                                     and the creation theory not?

Question: In Science, all theories must be proven before they are accepted as fact, Unless it involved the RELIGION OF EVOLUTION,. . . . WHY?

ANSWER: Because IT can't be proven, as man was not there!

The the first question: B.B.C. answers: "With creationism banned and evolution compulsory in virtually all U.S. schools many creationists have opted to withdraw their children from the state schools.
www..bbc.co.uk. dna/h2g2/A20702062-62K

                        THE CREATION / EVOLUTION DEBATE 2002-2006.

RELIGIOUS QUESTION: Most religious leaders continue 5to question creationism as a superstition. The Clergy Letter Project has reached its target of 10,000 signatories condemning creation as superstition. Pope John Paul II , regarded as a guardian supporter of evolution, has finally passed on, but the expected anti-evolutionary stance on his successor has yet to materialise.

Note: Nevertheless, John Paul II gave his full support to the question of evolution, thereby telling the whole world he does not accept Genesis chapter 1. {yet he fully expects us to believe him quoting Scripture, as his source of faith.?}

  Today evolution is fully compulsory in every school run  by the Governments, so does this remind you of this?

    "Any lie repeated often enough, and forcefully enough, will soon be accepted as truth by the masses"!
Lenin co-founder of the U.S.S. R.!  



Note so here we are with the 8th and the 10th hanging in by a thread, so I ask "Is there ANY sanity left in this sin filled world?

   Exodus 20:15  "Thou shalt not steal."
    Exodus 20:17  "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's."

ONE of the Roman Church-State's most influential, statements on economic matters is the 1891 encyclical RERUM NOVARUM [  a letter stating the official position or , belief regarding a topic] In this encyclical the roman Church-State allied herself with the proletariat, which in Marxism is the great and final enemy of the capitalistic order.

From: John W. Robins, Ecclesiastical Megalomania, "The Economic and Political Thought of the Roman Catholic Church" (Trinity Foundation 1999, p.43.

Roman Catholic economic thought, as developed by the Popes in their encyclicals and by the roman Church-State councils, has been a contributor to......

1.  feudalism and guild socialism in Europe during the Middle Ages.
2. fascism in Italy, Spain, Portugal, Croatia, and, Latin America in the 20th Century [ 1900's].
3. Nazism in Germany in the 20th century, [Church supported Hitler]
4. Interventionism and the redistributive state is the West, including the U.S. in the 20th century: and,
5. Lliberation theology in Latin America and Africa in the 20th century.

Question: Should the rest of the world, not view this "KINGDOM" with great suspicion?

SUMMA THEOLOGIAE, II-II 5th Article.   Thomas Aquinas' discussion of "Private Property"

   "the possession of all things in common is the natural law" so wrote Thomas... "the possession of all things in common and universal freedom' are said to be of the natural law because, to wit, the distinction of possessions and slavery were not brought in by nature, but devised by human reason for the benefit of human life."

NOTE: In other words you and I really won nothing, not even the clothes on our backs!  Be thankful, they did not include spouses!  YET!

                                PRIVATE PROPERTY

...Thomas Aquinas, wrote no treatise on economics, but his thinking, based on that of Aristotle, is foundational for understanding the economic thought of the Roman Church-State.. *
* Henry William Spiegel, "The Growth of Economic Thought. Revised edition Durham: Duke University Press, 1983 .p. 57

In SUMMA THEOLGIAE- ii-ii , 7th Article THOMAS AQUINAS WROTE: "Because the goods of some are due to others by the natural law, there is no sin if the poor take the goods of their neighbors. "Thomas wrote: "In cases of need, all things are common property, so that there would seem to be no sin in taking an other's property, for need has made it common."

Note: Most Roman Catholic churches have item made from gold, what happens if we the common folk,  declare them as our need? Would they still be so understanding of this theology?
Thou shalt not steal, but taking in case of need is not a sin?  Where does an other's "NEED" become a theft?

Not only is such taking of another's property not a sin, it is not even a crime, according to Thomas"

SUMMA THEOLOGIAE, II=-II 7TH ARTICLE.    "....It is lawful for a man to succor {help} his own need by means of an other's property by taking it either openly of secretly; nor is this, properly speaking theft and robbery...It is not theft, properly speaking, to take secretly and use an other's property in a case of extreme need; because that which he takes for the support of his life becomes his own property by reason of that need... In a case of a like need of a man many also take secretly an other's property in order to succor his neighbor in need."

Note: Then this Little Horn Kingdom is all about the poor stealing from the rich? Is that not what their selling their INDULGENCES  is really all about?

IBID John W. Robbins:   * P.32

Whosoever,WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ROMAN  needs property ought to possess it. Need makes an other's goods one's own. Need is the ultimate and only moral title to property. Neither possession, nor creation, nor production, nor gift, nor inheritance, nor divine commandment {WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ROMAN CHURCH-STATE PROPERTY  *] 

* Canon 1254: "The Catholic Church has an innate right to acquire, retain, administer and alienate temporal goods in pursuit of its proper ends independently of civil power"

BY this edict, it places itself above all civil laws!

* Canon 1260: "The Catholic church has an innate right to require from the Christian faithful whatever is necessary for the ends proper to it"

By this Dogma, it can take whatever it thinks it needs no matter the ownership, nor the goods.

Note: So Y O U may wonder How can this be so?   Look to God's Word....
    Revelation 13:1-2  "And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.  And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority."

   Revelation 12:9  "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

Please remember that "THE CROWN" owns all things, that being the Knights Templars' of Malta, thus the Church-State is the owner of all things, and governments, leave it alone and do as told!

    THE UNIVERSAL DESTINATION OF GOODS;  as expressed by "kindly Grand dad" John Paul II in his encyclical Letter of Social Concern:

"It is necessary to state once more the characteristic principle of Christian social doctrine: the goods of this world are originally meant for all.  The right of private property is valid and necessary, but it does not nullify the value of this principle. Private property, in fact, is under "Social Mortgage," which means that it has an intrinsically social function, based upon and justified precisely by the principle of the universal destination of goods."

John Paul II, Sollicitudo Rei Socialis , On Social Concern 1987 p.42.  

So nothing you have, in the way of any goods, does not belong to Y O U!!

     Exodus 20:15  Thou shalt not steal.   Well toss this one out!
       Exodus 20:17  Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy                                                       neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his                                     ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
Kiss both of these laws of God good-bye, right?   But who thinks that human laws have a president, over God's LAWS?

Note: In other words: "We are nothing, you pay pay the rent, keep all property in good repair, but we own nothing! No not even the food you have bought!

IBID John Paul....p.10:  [* ]

    "The encyclical included a statement that might be viewed as a justification of armed revolutions and wars of aggression, "* "Peoples excluded from the fair distribution of goods originally destined for all could ask themselves: Why not respond with violence to those who first treat us with violence? *]

So, today we have many demonstrations demanding $10- 15  per hour in pay for the least skilled among us, and the government does?......NOTHING! Of course all this is nothing more than a ploy to increase union memberships, and if this does happen that all skilled trades will point to this and demand their skill be better compensated! Creating a never-ending vicious circle!

 Who has forgotten the riots of this 2015 about white cops shooting a black man, while 1,000's have been murdered by black on black crimes and who says anything about that, but burn and loot is the norm?

However does all this not remind YOU of a certain President and his party about "Distribution of Wealth" which is "Taking from those that have and giving to those that need"?  So whose running the show! We, or the Roman Church-State?

From THE SECOND VATICAN COUNCIL, GAUDIUM ET SPEC Pastoral Constitution on the Church in the Modern World 1995 P.69

John Paul's quote explained in greater detail, "The Vatican II Constitution"

    "If one is in extreme necessity he has the right to procure for himself what he needs out of the riches of others. Since there are so many people prostrate with hunger in the world, this Sacred Council urges all, both individuals and governments, to remember the aphorism of the Fathers, "Feed the man dying of hunger, because if you have not fed him, you have killed him." *

* The Second Vatican Council, Gaudium et Spes, Pastoral Constitution on the Church in the Modern Wo4rld, (1995) , p.69.

In Laborem Exercens (1981)  , P.46 he goes on to say: "...all goods" includes not just goods found in nature but manufactured goods as well." John Paul II declared that all men must have ...." to those goods which are intended for common use: both the goods of nature and manufactured goods."  CONTINUED.....

Note: Good grief, then to whom do all things belong to, the Popes?  So long EIGHTH COMMANDMENT, RIGHT?    At least we can still keep our spouses right? So all things are His and He the all-knowing Pope, will redistribute all things according to his will!
So all those who follow his bidding, will get stuff, and those who don't , well eat air? Is there a similar verse that shows this in God's Word?
   Revelation 13:16-18  "And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive                                    a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:  And that no man might buy or sell,                                   save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is                              wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number                        of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."


In Latin and in Greek and in Hebron [Roiith --(Roman Kingdom)] all letters add up the number.

V......5              F........... 0................D...............500
I......  1             I.........    1  ..............E..........         0
C....100            L.......    50...............I .............      1
A.......0             I.......      1                 -------------------------
R...... 0             I.........    1                               501
I......  1           -------------------                           112
U....   5                       53                                    53
S.....   0                                                         -------------------                                       
----------------     NUMERICAL TOTAL        666 THE mark OF A MAN!  SATAN IS ANGEL, all 
112                                                                    be he but a fallen one, he is still                                                                                                                a supernatural being.

  2 Thessalonians 2:2-5  "That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? "

Pope Leo XIII in an Encyclical letter of June 20th 1894 wrote this:   "We hold upon this this earth the place of God Almighty."

So why this push for redistribution? Well, simply look at the world's Nations that are Catholic, they are  not in the "TOP TIER" of nations, in wealth right? Thus just as the Progressives have done in the U.S. is by "BUYING VOTES", with your TAX DOLLARS, Rome is doing the same taking from the ones that have, and giving to the one that don't! Buying hearts?

CONTINUED: "...each man has therefore the right to find in the world what is necessary for himself
[ your new car, your big flat screen T.V.? Your home?] The recent Council (Vatican II) reminded us of this: God intended the earth and all that it contains for the use of every human being and people. Thus, as all men follow justice and unite in charity, created goods should abound for them on a reasonable basis." All other rights whatsoever, are to be subordinated to this principle." *
* Pope John Paul II. Populorum Progressio  [meaning ? Popular Progressive?] "On the Progress of Peoples, (1967) .p.22. of his 1967 Encyclical.

Note: Under this the individual  Please remember has no rights, and shall this be implemented by Universal Law?  YES they shall try! Please remember that this is also the goal of the U.N. by the year 2015, as you have previously read!

Exodus 20:17  "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's."

Are Y O U, dear reader, beginning to see the why they removed....all the words in red, in their Catechism books?

    John W. Robbins IBID p. 35:
   Collectivists agree with Thomas that those in need are morally and legally justified in taking the goods of their neighbors. CONT:
Note: {jb} the latest riots on Baltimore and Ferguson MO. did the police initially try to spot the looting? NO!  Please THINK!
CONT:  These Thomistic notions--- that private property is merely a construct of human reason and government, and that need gives the needy title to the goods of others-- are the reason the Roman Catholic Bishops in Brazil in 1998 pronounced that looting is neither a sin nor a crime.

What say the Bible?   2 Thessalonians 2:3 " Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;-----

Please know that no Catholic official speaks, on such topics, unless they have cleared it with Rome!

If you have gone to this site www.amazingdiscoveries.org and typed in disc 935, or have this disc, at1:55 you'll see three pictures all of Robert Mugabe, of Zimbabwe, and the South African President at the time, then top right the same two men holding hands, and the the last is the the now former President of Iran, each giving the other a hug, the mad man, Ahmadidajhad. Under the title: "The same power giver Robert Mugabe the right to do what he is doing in Zimbabwe."

   Have Y O U ever heard of a Prince Andrew Willoughby Ninian Bertie?  well he just happens to be the GRAND MASTER of the ORDER of MALTA, whose crest shows 4 arrow heads meeting point to point, each 1/4 of the compass, kissing the ring in fealty, to the Pope Benedict.In 11th of April 2008 a new Grand Master was elected His Most Eminent Highness Fra' Matthew Festing at their first meeting. This is "THE" Crown, that he represents.


     {aka: Knights OF MALTA}  The most important of ALL the military orders, both for the extent of its area and for its duration. It is said to have existed before the Crusades and is not extinct at the present time.
The Catholic Encyclopedia.
Note: So call them The Knights Templars, or the Knights of Malta or the Hospitallers or the Society of St. John, you are still speaking of the the same organization!Queen Elizabeth II is their Patron also with the four arrow points meeting in the center!  Small world is it not?  All these "Secret Societies", have but one goal and aim, to give power to the beast!  Revelation 13.

How many know that the former nation of Rhodesia is now Zimbabwe, and that all Christians have lost their homes, farms and businesses, during this trail period, of REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH?
   Yet all under the guise of charity, charity!
    Matthew 24:42  "Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come."
    Revelation 13:4  "And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they                                     worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make                                     war with him?"
    Revelation 13:15  "And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of                                    the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the                                     image of the beast should be killed. "
Follow God and be saved. Follow man and be lost!  Simple is it not?

  Who else is a member of this Fraternity?  Nelson Mandela, was in November 23, 2004 invested as a Bailiff Grand Cross of the Order of St. John South Africa celebrated this with his smiling face and a robe with 4 arrows meeting point to point on his left shoulder, on their Rand 2.00 postage stamp! Mandela says he's not a Catholic ,but in this DVD, there's a picture of him receiving and taking the "HOST" in a mass!Catholic law forbids anyone NOT a Catholic to to receive it! Is he an undercover agent? Doing duty to and for the Dragon?

In early 2007 The Duke of Gloucester instills the President of south Africa, Thabo Mbeki, as Knight of the Order of St. John.!

                            SAME BOSS,----SAME ATTITUDE.
Mugabe has done his best to live up to his predecessor even with the same style of mustache as Adolph Hitler?    keep on-----

The Sunday Independent   March 30, 2008.


David Bowen reports:  "Whatever Robert Mugabe, Zimbabwe's leader, may claim in the coming days, there is no way that the country can have anything like a fair and free elections. His ruthlessness became clear to me when, as Foreign Secretary, I was negation with him over Rhodesian Independence between 1977 and 1979. But in none of my dealings with him did he tell obvious lies, nor did I see any sign of mental instability. He was, however, an ideological zealot of Jesuit upbringing, implacable and obdurate.{This article is based on an extract from Lord Owen's book, "In sickness and In Power: Illness in Heads of Government During the last 100 years"]

Sunday September 9th, 2007 By Jacob Nhlanhia in Bulawayo  : "Zimbabwean Jesuit on Excommunication of Mugabe."  Mugabe Church donation raises eyebrows....

    Gesture come as surprise to those who thought he had cut ties with the Catholic church.
Amid escalating calls to excommunicate him from the Roman Catholic Church, President Robert Mugabe has donated a large sum of money to it.... But Father Oskar Wermter, a Jesuit missionary priest who has lived in Zimbabwe for over 30 years, said call to excommunicate Mugabe were "Old Hat", and were unlikely to be heard! {NOTE  LOVE of money is want? The root of all evil 1 Timothy 6:10]  While Catholics here continue to call for Mugabe's excommunication, the president insists he is just an "Ordinary Catholic who goes to Mass every Sunday". Mugabe was educated by Jesuit Missionaries but made a shift from altar boy to radical nationalist when he joined the nationalistic movement in the early 1960's, which he then led a bitter guerrilla war against Ian Smith, then Prime Minister of Rhodesia.

Africa's Mess, Mugabe's Mayhem  by Robert I. Rotberg  Sept/Oct 2000

Mugabe was trained by Jesuit Missionaries in rural Zimbabwe, became a teacher, and studied for a B.A. in English history.
Thus he and others are doing what they are trained to do!
Daniel 7:19  Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;

Please remember Daniel's explanation of the king's dream, that brass belly was Greece and Rome absorbed the Greek philosophy, via Thomas' belief system!

   I wonder just how many of you, YES Y O U, remember the nation of Ethiopia ? The Bible spoke highly of that nation, a Christian and a Sabbath keeping , and vibrant nation, until near the end of Halie Selassie, The Lion of Ethiopia,  was gone, and the Jesuits moved in, with their race dividing plans, as such as we see in America these past 6 years, and this once proud self-sufficient nation, is no in near ruin. They want to stamp out all the residue of Christ's ways! The Popes are Satanists worshiping Lucifer, and are Mithraists at best! Revelation 13:1-3.
    WHY? WHY do Y O U think Mussolini's Italy went all the way down to Ethiopia to smash that nation????  Remember it was he this upstart dictator, who signed the treaty with the Vatican making it a nation again thus a seat at the U.N, in 1948, way back in 1929! These people are truly long-range planners, planing moves centuries not day or weeks! Mary worship came into this Little Horn power way back, centuries ago! Who has not seen all those little children, with blotted bellies, because of their destruction of this nation, yet they cry " have mercy of those that hunger"? Remember, the word hypocrite comes from the Greek word for PLAY ACTOR!
    Look at South Africa, they split the Zulu nation in two parts and the nation ran red with blood! Remember4 there is no salvation by pigmentation , nor is there salvation by heritage. What is their ultimate goal?
To Have the Vatican return to the total power and control she had during the Middle Ages in Europe, but now over the whole world!  She already has all earth follow her on her day of rest Sunday, the day of the Venerable day of the sun god!

                             LOOK AT WHAT THE VATICAN IS ABLE IN SOUTH AFRICA.
"FARMER'S  movable property now under threat--TAU SA   Paul van der Walt June 20 2008.
Statement from TAU SA June 19, 2008.

Another bill threatens property rights:
   The proposed changes to the Land Use Management Act, which has been tabled in Parliament underlines the fact that TUA SA was not wrong in its evaluation that the new Expropriation Bill aims at targeting all farmer's assets....in terms of this new act, government will retain expropriated land, assets, implements and stock in trust, { Who owns all things, governments will hold in TRUST? Rome!}until it will be transferred to the "emerging" farmers. "It is clear that even before "Suitable" farmers are identified, the land will be transferred to government. This confirms a view that government is eager to get the current commercial farmers off their land as quickly as possible, even though the land will not be transferred to the new owners immediately."

     Revelation 13:17  "And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."
     Revelation 6:5-6  "And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine."

NOTE: The wage standard, at the time John wrote this passage was more than, a Penny per day! A measure of wheat, was not enough for one loaf of bread! This is what's coming!

     Matthew 24:4  "And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you."

If you are so delusional, that this can't happen here, please look at what rights we have already lost? All private property rights might be ended by July 2008, IF this law is passed, it has been brought up many times and so far defeated, but it shall one day pass, as each time it garners more votes for its passage!

     Ephesians 4:17-24  "This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind, Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:  Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness. But ye have not so learned Christ; If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness."

  So, what should be a true Christ man or woman's reactions be? Let the worldly do their thing, because it IS all in God's hands, and according to His Word, just as it was from the beginning, so to shall it be until the end of flesh men!
   What should we then do?  Stay within God's Word and pray, and ask The Father to place you before those who are open to the message of Jesus' love.

Thank Y O U for your time. Questions?  Comments?

Want more? Visit your Seventh-day Adventist Church, any Saturday/Sabbath between 9-10 AM. Jesus can and fill fill that gnawing void in your heart.

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Wednesday, May 13, 2015

# 935 disc- They Have Made Void Thy Law. Amazing Discoveries-W. Veith.

My continual thanks to PhD W.Veith and his staff and Amazing discoveries network.  Without whom this post would be impossible.

   Remember in part one we looked at the reversal of Genesis 1, and at the morality that is 180 degrees out of phase with God's Word, and the changing of His Laws by men. By men using "Natural Law," as the reason for the changes. Yet God holds that His Laws are unchangeable and immutable!

     If Y O U reflect but a moment about good and evil, Y O U must come to the conclusion that he, Satan, hates every thing about God! In particular God's Law, this was the very reason he and his kind, were driven from Heaven and cast to this earth! Revelation 12.
     He was cast out because of his disobedience to God's laws, and he's been busy ever since trying to instill this same rebellious spirit within men, ever since! 

    Genesis 3:3-4  "But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:"

NOTE: (jb) Sadly most "Christians", have bought this lie, and many teach that man's soul is immortal. Only God has immortality!
1 Timothy 6:15-16  "Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen."

    Much of Satan's followers, in Occult and Luciferians, only "law" being "Do as thou wilt". Thus the law of God must be negated, and the law of chaos put in its place. So how far down the line of negating God's Law are we?

    Isaiah 24:5  "The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant."

    For about 6,000 years, we had the Bible's Morality, more or less, in place, in some form or fashion, but in the last 50-60 years, much of that has been cast aside!  When the Bible speaks of "They have voided Thy Law"-- does it mean most have disregarded the law? But that's been around for 6,000 years right?
This obviously means laws have bee OFFICIALLY  REMOVED from society!  Then God shall act!  If laws are removed or radically changed by national legislation, either national or internationally, then god Shall act!
When civil law comes into conflict with God's Law, which is superior, then there's a huge problem!
    Do we have Bible examples of this?
     Daniel 3:5-6 " That at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery,                                        dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king hath set up:  And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth shall the same hour be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace."
   King Nebuchadnezzar's command {Civil Law} forced all people to bow before his image, but three Hebrew captives did not, and were cast in the fiery furnace.
      Daniel 3:17-19  "If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king. But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up. Then was Nebuchadnezzar full of fury, and the form of his visage was changed against Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego: therefore he spake, and commanded that they should heat the furnace one seven times more than it was wont to be heated."

     Daniel 3:22-25  "Therefore because the king's commandment was urgent, and the furnace exceeding hot, the flame of the fire slew those men that took up Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego.  And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, fell down bound into the midst of the burning fiery furnace. Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellors, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king.  He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God."
   You see, science can NOT comprehend that God spoke the Sun into existence, thus they reject Him in favor of evolution.

WHY did the three refuse to bow down?
       Exodus 20:5  "Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;"
    This the Second Commandment has bee removed by Rome in their kooks of Catechism.

    Exodus 20:1-3  "And God spake all these words, saying, I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.  Thou shalt have no other gods before me."

Question: Has this law been tampered with? Let's look at International law, not just Rome's law from men.

January/February 1983 Issue of THE HUMANIST.
    "I am convinced that the battle of humankind's future must be waged and won in the public schools classroom by teachers who correctly perceive their role as the proselytizers of a new faith: a religion of humanity that recognizes and respects the spark of what theologians call divinity in every human being. These teachers must embody the same selfless dedication as the most rabid fundamentalist preachers, for they will be ministers of another sort, utilizing a classroom instead of a pulpit to convey humanist values in whatever subject they teach, regardless of the educational level-- preschool, day care or larger state university. The classroom must be and will become an arena of conflict between the old and the new"

Note: Humanism means we are "EVOLVING" to become divine,  thus "gods."  {If any humanist think they are god, walk upon the water, Jesus did} Have we not been there with evolution only? This is now taught as accepted fact no longer a theory!  Professor W. Veith's life as a teacher for much of his adult life, has seen this and the turmoil it has caused.
   They speak of the need to Proselytize, THEIR IDEAS, but its fully against the law for God to be represented in any School room, period! How are their views superior to the Christians? Can they perform miracles? 

Mel and Norma Gabler, quoting John Dunphy, "Humanism in Textbooks," {longview, Texas 1983. p.6
     "the rotting corpse of Christianity, together with all its adjacent evils, and misery, and the new faith of humanism, resplendent in its promise of a world in which the never-realized Christian ideal of "love thy neighbor" will finally be achieved.....It will undoubtedly be a long, arduous, painful struggle replete with much sorrow and many tears, but humanism will emerge triumphant. It must if the family of humankind is to survive."

     For all this to become reality, there must be only one religion, a Religious Soup of all earth's man made religions thrown into on kettle, including Christianity! Yet what this will be come is nothing short of error! We can see this with Rome, when they Invited in the Pagans, thinking "We will make them Christians instead the Christians got Paganized!"  If we keep our differences, we shall always have conflict, thus we need a blending, a "Homogenization of all religions int one blend." This is their reasoning, and truth or right and wrong, has no place in their thinking!

    Philippians 2:10  "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;"

Do Y O U know that the Bible predicted the very time Jesus the Messiah would come? The time that began His ministry, and precise time of it's length, which ended with His death on the Cross, and that time that the Gospel would be sent to the Gentiles? That all was given to us by Daniel some 500 years before the fact? Or that Psalms 22, by David, 1,000 years before the cross foretold even the actions of men towards Jesus?
OR, the simple fact, that of all earth's religions, only the Christian belief has God paying for our sins, with His life and blood, giving us a choice of salvation or damnation, by accepting or rejecting Him?

Now, is there a law on the world called "HATE SPEECH"?  YES OR NO?    YES there is, and one factor is to say that one "religion" is superior to another!  {By this criteria, these whole posts could be called hate speech, yet it's done and love and concern for all others, who I hope to see in Heaven, as this is my sole purpose for all this effort! As it must be for all Christ men and women]  How many students are now subjected to "COMPARATIVE RELIGION STUDIES", where they are exposed to all of earth's religions, in very general terms? In other words, "You shall regard all other gods as equal to me"

http://www.christian .org.uk' press releases/2003/January_24_ 2003.htm
 The Christian Institute :Christian Influence in a secular World.

"New Laws 'substantially' restrict religious liberty.  Tuesday January 24 2003. The Government closes its consultation on radical anti-discrimination laws which substantially restrict the freedom of churches and religious bodies to employ staff who are practising believer."' CONT:

Note Government claims that by this very act organisations say they are" EXCLUSIVE", and Liberals think of self as INCLUSIVE"  [Note:At least as long as one agrees with them, right?]So are we then compelled to hire nonbelievers in order not to be exclusive?

  CONT:   "Top legal academics have today accused the government of undermining religious freedom. They say that Government has decided to implement and EU Employment Directive without granting the full range of safeguards which are permitted under EU Law. All religious faiths will be affected."
    Professor Ian Leigh of Durham University, a leading human rights lawyer, said today: "The Government regulations have all the potential to seriously undermine freedom of association for religious people. They place the modern concept of "Equality" over and above religious liberty."

Note: WHAT IF the Bible's right in.......the simple fact that Jesus Christ is our Savior?-------Yet this is already an International Law! Unless one uses God's name in vain one can't even utter the words God or Jesus Christ, in public anymore!

     Acts 4:12  "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."

     So if this makes all non-Christian religions of no avail, I am sorry, take it up with God! So comparative religious instructions would not cut it. right? Now some may call this hate speech, but when it's truth, then truth must be spoken, and only Satan and his own will hate truth especially God's truth!

     Exodus 20:4-6  "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.?


   They reason thus:   Article 1161 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church which reinforces the doctrine of the Seventh Ecumenical council of Nicea {A.D. 787 on images.
      "Following the divinely inspired teaching of our holy Fathers and the tradition of the Catholic Church [ note: there is no mention of following the divinely inspired teaching of the Holy Bible!] , we rightly [within their minds] define with full certainty and correctness that,[note: based upon what?  Natural law and Reason of course] like the figure of the precious and life-giving figure of the cross, venerable and holy images of our Lord and God and Savior, Jesus christ, our inviolate lade, the holy mother of god, and the venerated angels, all the the saints and the just, whether painted or made up of mosaic or another suitable material, are to be exhibited in the holy churches of God, on sacred vessels and vestments, wall and panels on houses ands on streets."

The above is their own words, their justification on the removal of the Second Commandment, and not mine nor W. Veith's. THEREFORE: THUS SAYETH ANOTHER LORD-GOD, BUT NOT The God in Heaven!
However, if Y O U think, this applies not to you, remember IF you nay MY Religion in truth, you are denigrating all others, and that today is near universal "HATE SPEECH"!  {every heard of a crime done i n love?]

    Some people try to make some of the "Occultic symbols" into "Christian" symbols such as saying the pentagram represents the five wounds of Christ or that the triangle is a symbol of the Trinity. We can not nor should not do this----for the Holy Bible warns us of it in----
    Deuteronomy 4:15-19  "Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of                                                      similitude on the day that the LORD spake unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire: Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female, The likeness of any beast that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged fowl that flieth in the air, The likeness of any thing that creepeth on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the waters beneath the earth: And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven."
    Deuteronomy 4:23  "Take heed unto yourselves, lest ye forget the covenant of the LORD your God,                                        which he made with you, and make you a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, which the LORD thy God hath forbidden thee."

    Deuteronomy 7:25-26 " The graven images of their gods shall ye burn with fire: thou shalt not desire the                                          silver or gold that is on them, nor take it unto thee, lest thou be snared therein: for it is an abomination to the LORD thy God. Neither shalt thou bring an abomination into thine house, lest thou be a cursed thing like it: but thou shalt utterly detest it, and thou shalt utterly abhor it; for it is a cursed thing."
Is there anything in these passages, that is not clear? Why is God then so against this images stuff?
   "ANYTHING WE HONOR, WORSHIP, IS BY TOUCH, THUS NO LONGER BY FAITH"  Faith is fostered and grows upon a relationship, and that's not possible with any image, agree?

Please go to www.amazingdiscoveries.org and see on DVD. 935 at the 20:39 mark (M.S. Vista)  and see all the occultic symbols on the Door of the Marian Shrine are the Zodiac Symbols and the Door Knob as Yin-Yang symbol------

   Isaiah 47:13-14  "Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the                                     stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee.  Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it."
Note: Star Gazers =  SEERS.    Astrology practitioners, thinking that star positions dictate even    Monthly Prognosticators =  to Know, to acclaim.  Sorcery = witchcraft.

Now what is this Yin/Yang ?   There are seven laws concerning the Yin/Yang, one of which is "2 Everything changes."
 {Micheal Tierra, "The Way of Herbs", [New York, New York: Washington Square Press, 1980 p.50]

How does the Holy Bible answer this?
     Hebrews 13:8  "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever."
     Malachi 3:6  For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed."
     He does not change, nor do His laws!
  Yet, this Yin-Yang law says we must times with the times? Think this is not so? Look at 1976 when the highest court in the US, found a way within the Constitution to pronounce that abortions are in fact constitutional! YIN-YANG!
Note (jb) Why is it? Why do the Progressives {Regressives] actually fight to save a mass murderer, but will fight tooth and nail to keep the murder of fully innocent human beings, in the wombs, whose only fault is being unwanted, to On demand and legal?

Law # 3. "All antagonisms are complimentary"  IBID p.51  Micheal Tierra.

This would make Jesus and Satan complementary to each other! NOTE (jb) How can the dark and the Light co-exist?

Ibid # 6. "The extreme of any condition will produce the opposite."  Ibid M. Tierra

   Well all these so-called laws are in  themselves, very extreme, thus my opposition.
   Again applying this to Christ would mean that because He loves us extremely deep, plus has great goodness, mercy, and compassion, etc,. that He will produce signs of hate, injustice,unconcern, etc., This also would make satan eventually become kind, loving and obedient, and so forth.  The Bible says-----

     Isaiah 5:20  "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"
   In these "ANYTHING GOES TIMES," are we not there already?
   Thus, by near world-wide acceptance of the U.N Council's Agenda 21. Thus we are under these human laws, and this has has abrogated Gods first two Laws.

                       God's Third Law: 

       Exodus 20:7  "Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain."

    Many today think we must use the original Hebrew name for God and pronounce it correctly! However is God more concerned with the correct pronunciation to His name or in our character development? AS it is our character that must be totally changed, in the process we call Sanctification  That would reduce Salvation by Pronounciation, would it not?  More on this to come.
    Correct names and correct pronunciation has little to do with character, but it is a detail. When we deal with the name of God, we are actually dealing with the Character of God, and that is His Glory, and it comes to us by the Ten Commandments!
     We oft speak of Defamation of Character,  or Character Assassination, which is the starkest sense, is "Killing one's name".  Now let's go one step beyond this, there's many a person, who delight in calling themselves "Christian," but they surely do not act nor live as Christ gave us the example, agree?   Are they then not breaking this 3rd Commandment YES, or NO?

    James 2:10 " For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

   However, does the 3 rd Law  not also cover Blaspheme? Which is much like dragging His name in the Mud, or calling a man God? 

In His Encyclical Letter of June 20, 1894, Pope Leo XIII said: "We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty."
   That statement is both blasphemy and takes God's name in vain! At pertains ONLY to God's purview! 

Law against Blasphemy: 

     John 10:33  "The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."
     Mark 2:7  "Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?"
    Question: Is there is still but one power on earth that claims the power to forgive human sin, the Catholic Church, other than they?
    The two verses, above, are the two only verses that cover Blasphemy, and that is man/men elevating self to that position that is God's alone!

     Yet does this not also cover the entire New Age Movement? As it elevated man to God, in fact they claim that God is in every thing! That's Pantheism!  Conversely, Perfectionism, brings God down to man's level! Satan just loves to put us all into his little compartments! Christ on the other hand said-----

    Galatians 3:28  "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

    If you, dear reader, are getting to the point, where you see Satan, sending dualism ideals, each totally opposite of each other yet all on the wrong side of the fence of truth. He does all this beautifully in Politics, right?  It seems that we voters are always needing to decide between two extremes, and we must chose between the pot and the kettle, as both gets us naught but hot water!

    Revelation 13:1 " And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy."
     Revelation 13:6  "And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven"
     .Daniel 7:25  "And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws:.......  "

                             From FERRARIS' ECCLESIASTICAL DICTIONARY.

     T"The Pope is of swo great dignity and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but as it were God, and the vicar of God."

  How do Y O U reconcile the above dogma, with John 10:33 or Mark 2:7 's verses you've just read a few moments ago? Or this one, and note they are in their own words, not anyone elses!
     "God Himself is obliged to abide by the judgement of His priests, and either not to pardon or to pardon, according as they refuse, or give absolution...The sentence of the priest precedes, and God subscribes to it." 
From: "Dignities and Duties of the Priest, "Vol. 12. p.27.

Does all this qualifies Rome, as a blasphemous power, in your mind?   Now, in the new legal sense, is speaking against this power, be classified as Hate Speech"?  Well yes, but please remember, these are their own words, not mine, thus it is THEY, that are speaking, right?  I only quote them from their own sources!

    Or how about this example from this "Kingdom"?
     "The Poor sinner kneels at his confessor's feet. He KNOWS he is not speaking to an ordinary man but to ANOTHER CHRIST."......He hears the words: "I absolve thy sins...." smf yjr HIDEOUS LOAD OF SINS DROPS FROM HIS SOUL FOREVER."
William Doyle, "SHALL I BE A PRIEST?" PP. 14-15.

Does, or does not this power, take over the prerogatives of God? Yet we many not speak a word against it, lest we be charged with Hate Speech, and or be labelled a TERRORIST?

   Do you still believe that Y O U live in the land of the free?  I wonder how many of us believers will receive an Orange Jump suit, with a short chain between our legs?

    Revelation 13:15  "And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed."
    Daniel 3:5-6  "That at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king hath set up:  And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth shall the same hour be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace."

Note: Daniel's time frame? About 500 years before Christ!
    Revelation 2:9 "...... and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the                                       synagogue of Satan."
Note: The term "Christian," did not come into use until after A.D. 100 or so.

    Matthew 15:7-9  "Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto                          me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in                           vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."

Note: Just how important do Y O U think these issues are? Can men save themselves? Can men change themselves into eternal beings like Jesus Christ can?                                                                                               Sadly, the very same basic doctrines have been introduced into nearly ALL Protestant churches, as we find in Rome! The LAW OF GOD, has been made void by both the human laws and by human practice!


     The use of God's name in vain is against God's Law, thus blasphemy, "What about the governmental laws forbidding the use of His name?"

     Posted: December 20, 2005 1:00 am Eastern, 2005 Worldnetdaily.com.
TESTING THE FAITH,  Clergy to protest at the White House .  will ask Bush to reverse policy limiting chaplain's prayers.
    A group of clergy is planning to gather outside the white House today to ask President Bush to nullify military policies that forbid chaplains from prying in Jesus' name.

     According to a statement from the National Clergy Council, Christian leaders from various denominations will hold a news conference outside Lafayette Park just north of the White House to protest what the group calls an "Escalating Crisis", over chaplain's prayer policies.
  Is this only a U.S. policy or are they appearing elsewhere? Nope, this is a Universal agenda, and Satan's all for that, like white on snow!  In Walter Veith's homelands of south Africa, one may NOT PRAY in any public setting, period! Thus prayers are restricted to home and to church buildings only! All done by legislation! So on whose side are they on?

   However, any other of earth's myriad number of gods, and praying in their name, is absolutely no problem, because Satan has no problem with any of these doctrines, just those of Christ and The Father-God!
  Does it not lead to one point of fact? God's 3RD Commandment has been voided by man's universal laws?
Now why is it that "We never want a drink of water until after the well runs dry?"     Can Jesus and prayer not be far behind?

                                    THE FOURTH COMMANDMENT.
    Exodus 20:8-11 " Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."

QUESTION: Which day is the Sabbath day?
ANSWER: Saturday  the Seventh day of the week is The Lord's Day, His Holy Day.

Question: Why, then do we observe Sunday, the first day of the week in place of Saturday, the 7th day?
Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday. ["The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine (1957 P.50) ]

    OK, then 96% of Christians are not keeping the Lord's Sabbaths, but the Catholic Sabbath, not following God's Laws, but men's laws, right?


    "He changeth the tymes and lawes that any of sixe worke dayes commanded of god will make them unhol;y and idle dayes when he lyste, or of their owne holy dayes [ holidays] abolished make worke dayes agen, or whenb they changed ye Saterday into Sundaye..... They have changed God's lawes and turned them into their owne tradicions to be kept above God's precepts."

George Joye, 1545, p.119 of "Exposition of Daniel the Prophet", gathered out of Philipp Melanchthon, Johan Ecolampadius, ect, by... Spelling is not wrong it's Olde English, and Melancton a friend of Martin Luther.

   The Reformers, knew this already , but lacked the power to implement this, and the power , {from Heaven} did not come until 1844 A.D.

   " SUNDAY IN OUR MARK of authority... The Church is above the Bible, and this transference of the Sabbath observance is proof of that fact."     Catholic Record, September 1, 1923.
THEIR PROOF?  They point out to the fact that 96% of Christian denominations follow and obey her lead!

     Revelation 13:17  "And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the                                            beast, or the number of his name."
     Revelation 19:20 " And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles                                        before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and               them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."

"She took the pagan Sunday [ for Sun worship] and made it the Christian Sunday... and thus the pagan sunday, dedicated to Balder [Baal,Bel, Mithra, Bail, Vishnu, Isis are all much the same but in differing languages and forms.] it became the Christian Sunday sacred to Jesus.; (Cath. world, March 1894 , P.809).

    Luke 4:16  "And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read."
Note: seems as if they never tire of denigrating Jesus, as Sunday was and is not sacred to Jesus! Sabbath is!

"Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act, and the act is a MARK of her ecclesiastical power." "Faith of our Fathers" (Cardinal Gibbons)
   Note: Just because the crowd follows you does not make you right!

Father Enright, American Sentinel June 1893. "The Bible says remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SAYS NO! By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week. And lo the entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the Holy Catholic church."

Catholic Press (Sydney Aust,) August 25, 1900   "Sunday is a Catholic institution, and its claims to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles.... From the beginning to the end of scripture there is not a single passage which warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first."

Now here is the Grade A numero Uno in chutzpah .....   NOT THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE, IN GENESIS 2:1-3 BUT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH "can claim the honor of having granted man a pause to his work every seven days."... S.C. Mosna, "Storia Della Domenica." 1969, pp. 366-367.

"Reason and common sense demand the acceptance of One or the other of these alternatives: Either Protestantism and keeping of Saturday, or Catholicity and the keeping holy Sunday. Compromise is impossible." The Catholic Mirror December 23, 1893. 

    Joshua 24:15  "And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD."
Note: For this reason God has given each the free-will to chose to follow God's Laws or Man's Laws!

   Is there now any wide movement, by governments, to legislate Sunday as a no work day, a weekly rest day?    www.WorkRights.ca  Since 1907, and see what the Candians are facing! Germany already has no work Sundays as does Croatia, Plus this is in the legislative mill in many other nations, including the US already many years ago!

Therefore God;s Laws 1,2, and 3 are gone by legislation actions, and law 4 the Sabbath Seventh day is PENDING all around the world! Sunday, the international no Banking Day, Plus most Unions Sunday work means at least double time, and if one has 40 hours already 2 x + 1/2 thus double time and one half per hour! So how long will it be for no work Sundays by law?
    So the Law for Sunday no work but worship law, is hanging, its been asked for all over, including the Vatican many times, to when will it happen! When will Saturday, the Bible's Sabbath, be deemed illegal and punishable by prison of death?

   Revelation 13:14-18  "And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.  And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:  And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

WHY or HOW can men do this?  Well think ISIS and------
John 16:2  "They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service."

Detroit News, July 7, 1998. PA1. Pope John Paul II said: "A person who violates the sanctity of sunday is to be punished as a heretic."
So what was and still is this "Punishment?"  DEATH!

Catholic online 6/12/2005    Vatican City, June June 13, 2005 (Zenit) Pope Benidict  said ""We can't live without it, he tells the Crowd as Angelus. sunday Mass is not an imposition but a joy and a need for Catholics, says Benedict XVI.

  Yet many Sunday "apologists," say "Well they gathered on the first day of the week an broke bread (ate) but if you not the time frames, this was after Saturday's sunset thus by Hebrew reckoning it was already Sunday the FIRST DAY of the week. This then in nothing more, than Biblical gymnastics!

Here's a not so new twist: "We are not under the law but under Grace"! Heard of it?  But I ask what is Grace? God's grace, is His pardon for our sins, so without any law how can there be sin?
    If there is no law, how can there be transgressions of the law? As sin IS the transgression of God's Laws!      Now, IF. . .if there there is no law, would there still be a need for grace?  NO! So this is another Biblical Gymnastic move. right?

    Thus Law and grace are two faces of the same coin, and  their separation, destroyes both as we have need of neither!

          THE OLD COVENANT WA ANNULLED WITH THE BETRAYAL OF JUDAS" p.153. {Extreme Biblical Gymnastics to say the least]

  "tHOSE WHO STILL TRY TO KEEP THE LAW ARE NOT SPIRITUALLY OF AGE AND HAVE NOT YET RECEIVED THE hOLY SPIRIT. iF THE LAW IS STILL READ THESE DAYS, IT MUST BE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT OF AGE.....that is for unbelievers. This os the only sense in which the law is still applicable today. Believers through the jSpirit andare not under the law.  {Galatians 5:25}
   "Believers that try to keep the law are in slavery, but believers that live in the fullness of the New Covenant are free. Therefore it is dangerous for believers oin the church period, to be associated with the law. Churches that read the Ten Commandments on sundays in the assembly bring their members under the impression that they are still under the law and that they must try to keep the law... Christians who today try to keep the ten commandments hinder the work of the Holy Spirit and undermine the pure essence of the New Covenant" P.162. "Christ's Promise of Return"
From: Lemmer Du Plessis, from God's Plan of Salvation ----AGS.  Pentecostal Leadership Group/

If. . .if they are correct in their thinking, then this passage must be in error right?  OR????? ARE THEY?
     Revelation 14:12  "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of                                         God, and the faith of Jesus."
    Revelation 12:17  "And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant                         of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."

Now what's a Remnant? Is it, or is it not a left-over part from the original, or one identical, to the original? So those who follow the total Bible as it is written, and accept it as the full Word of God, would these people be a Remnant? YES!

Kobus van Rensberg:  He can be seen smashing the representation of the Ark of the Covenant, and taking out two Tablets, and breaking then in pieces, while shouting 'No MORE' "!  www.amazingdicoveries.org dvd 935  at about th4 50; min mark. His rather small audience of less than 150 people all standing up clapping and shouting as if they had just won a huge prize.  He calls it the dragon, and broke it into many pieces!
   He took the "Put of Manna" which symbolizes the Uncorrupted Body of Christ, and smashes it, breaks the rod of aaron and breaks it, and then breaks the whole ark up into pieces and says the dragon is finished.
I must have sorrowful pity on this poor man and his followers, they just do not understand the Bible as written. Well for today this is the extreme, but only God knows where all this will lead, right?

      Matthew 7:21-23  "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of                                   heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
Iniquity :   from the Greek word anomia [an-om-ee'- ah]  unrighteousness, transgress the law.
1; The condition without the Law of God
1a. because one is ignorant of it or
1b. because one violates them
2. one being in contempt and willingly violates His law, iniquity--wickedness.

  This Anomia theology is not new, in the least, but it seems to raise its ugly head again and again. through the ages. Yet today is seems to be in full fashion, right, as we are under grace!
    Matthew 12:31-32  "Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."

Note: It is the Workings of the Holy Spirit, that has the job of our rebuilding, our character to that of Christ's! If we are not willing to allow that work, then over time we have grieved Him, and we are lost and blotted out, in due time..

    most people who say "We are under Grace and the Law", when asked, Are you happy when murders happen? Are you glad when people lose stuff by thieves? "
 No NO! that's not what I mean," they say!
 When we get right down to it, their sole hang-up is the Sabbath, right? They have no problems with all other nine laws but that 4th, wow! That's the stickler!
    So if they want to get rid of the sabbath the nm4th law, then they get rid of the whole law, case closed!
    But is it?
    Isaiah 58:13  "If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and                      call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing                        thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:"
   As the above verse shows plainly, it is NOT the Sabbath by and of man, but HIS Holy Day! Thus Sunday worship is a Direct Confrontation to God Himself! Therefore in a battle between man and God, man loses!

   Now what will be the results if there is NO LAW......can Y O U say "Law of the jungle, survival of the fastest and meanest"? In other words Anarchy!

     Romans 4:15  "Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression."

     Thus, where there is NO LAW, there is no need for Grace, for this is God's powers within us nto overcome lawlessness! 
     Ephesians 2:8  "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:"
     Ephesians 2:9  "Not of works, lest any man should boast."

     Romans 3:19-21 " Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under                                  the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.  Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;"

    Romans 3:31 " Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law."
    Romans 7:12 " Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good."

    Romans 6:14-15  "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under                                        grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace?                                    God forbid."
     No, I am not speaking that we can be perfect, but we can become so if we are but willing to surrender to the the will of Christ, for we gain perfection, even thought we slip and and fall at times, nas long as we repent, and get back up, Heaven shall perfect all the willing!.......
     Ephesians 2:10  "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God                                         hath before ordained that we should walk in them."
      John 17:17  "Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.:
Note: Please agree to eat the WORD, the Living Manna, and do not cast it aside.
      John 14:6  "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,                              but by me."
     Psalms 119:151  "Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth."
     Psalms 119:142  "Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth."


1.Thou shalt worship the LORD Thy GOD, and Him only shalt thous serve. Matt. 4:10; Rev.19:10
2. Little children, keep yourselves from idols. 1 John 3:21: Acts 17:29
3. that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.  1 Timothy 6:1
4. The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath: I therefore the Son of man is              LORD also of the Sabbath.  Mark 2:27-28: Hebrews 4:4.
5. Honor they father and thy mother. Matthew 19:19; Ephesians 6:1-3.
6. Thou shalt not Kill Romans 13:9 ; James 2:11.
7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.  Matthew 19:18.
8. Thou shalt not steal. Romans 13:9 ; Ephesians 4:20.
9. Thou shalt not bear false witness. Romans 13:9.
10. Thou shalt not covet. Romans 7:7

This theology named Antinomianism, as its known, is not due to the fact that god's TEN Laws are for the Jews only , because its a Universal Law, just as God is the Universe's Creator!
   *Antinomians, believed that Christians are free from the laws { laws in the Greek is Nomos} of morality by virtue of God's grace. Critics charged the antinomians with licentious living.  {almost as today's "if it feels good..do it"?] Apparently popular among Gnostic sects, and antinomianism was revived among the Anabaptists and by Johann Agricola, a one-time student of martin Luther, who retracted his arguments with Luther and Luther's associate Philip Melanchthon. Antinomianism was held by various members of various sects during the British Commonwealth. "The Doctrine and Discipline of Divorce". p.426.

John Nelson Darby 1800- 1882.

The Plymouth Brethren originated in Dublin, Ireland, about the year 1830... darby, a clergyman in the church of england, renounced the church, and assumed that all existing church organizations are a detriment to Christianity, and the spiritual life... Moreover, they were confirmed antinomians.Mr Darby would say that if any man had anything to do with the law of God, even to obey it, he was a sinner by that very avt!.... Of course they strenuously antagonize inwrought nad personal holiness as an utter impossibility, since the old man has a lease of the soul which does not expire till death. Yet the insist that they are perfectly holy in christ, "UP THERE", while perfectly carnal and corrupt, "DOWN HERE", in man's mortal state!

NOTE: Is this not as 'Having one cake and eating too?"

....Mr. darby said to the writer, "Jesus does not walk about in heaven dropping off fingers and toes," it follows that every believer once incorporated in to Christ is absolutely sure of salvation.. The certainty is forever beyond contingencies. No act of sin, even murder, can remove us from our standing in christ. sin may obstruct communion, and leave the soul in sadness and darkness for a season, but since , as Shakespeare says, "All is well that ends well." sin in a believer is well since it ends in eternal life."  "The Theology of the so-called Plymouth Brethren examined and refuted by Daniel Steele, S.T.D..
http://www.gospeltruth.net/antinomianisn chap 3. htm

Now you know where and how this "Once Saved, Always Saved", silly stuff came from! Must havfe overlooked this verse----
   Romans 6:23  "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our
Note: Yes Christ died for our sins, but look
   Hebrews 10:26  "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"
      2 Peter 2:17-21 " These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the                               mist of darkness is reserved for ever. For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.  While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them."

Yet on the other side of the argument, are  those who want Prayers back in school, and the ten Commandments on every street corner, yet both have fallen hard into Satan's trap! As what's us to ALLOW HIM to write His laws onto our hearts and minds! What good does it do, to you and me, if millions wear T-shirts with the Ten laws front and back, IF they are NOT into our hearts and minds?

    Hebrews 10:16  "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;"
    Yet we must ask, "Which Law are they advocating for"?  God's Law or Papel Law? The two are not in harmony! As most of the "We Want God's Laws" organisations are also advocating the Sunday worship, in place of the Bible's Sabbath's   {Genesis 2:1-3; Mark 15:42-46 and Luke 23: 53-56 and 24:1-3 pins this day down flat]

Note: Matthew 24:4  "And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive                                            you."

End of Part 1 of disc 935.    Part 2 follows.
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